Our friend from Bangalore – Shriram- had queried as to whether there is any reference in our texts about creation being a result of God’s desire to “experience”. This was followed by a scintillating response from ALN comparing divine creation as being akin to His “leela” a play/Drama etc.
This triggered a desire to locate specific references in our texts on this. The outcome of this exercise is some interesting insight, and is worth sharing in the blog. Here I go:
“Yatho vaacho nivarthanthe appraapya manasa saha” (Original Samskrit in Taithriya)
“From which both words and mind return without comprehending it, is verily the “brahmn”. (Translation).
Brahmaiva sathyam is another upanishadic Vaakyam.
This translates to “Brahmn alone is the truth”.
In other words save that “one –non-dual” Brahmn, nothing else has any individual identity/existence, and this Brahmn itself is beyond comprehension of both mind and words.
Having said that since it is also said that “it” is omnipotent, omniscient, self-effulgent etc it follows that everything else like its creations, its sentiments, desires etc are latent in it. It will be difficult to imagine “that” which is “everything” would want to either create or desire or experience; this would only tantamount to saying that all of these have an identity beyond “it”. This will be contrary to the very definition of Brahmn.
You would recall the Gita sloka 4 chapter 6 (in the blog) has a reference to “sarva sankalpa sanyasi” -- a renunciation of every kind of intent or desire before you merge into that “brahmn”. So how can a “Brahmn” desire ? In other words if everything is Brahmn then even desire is verily “brahmn”, and therefore How can “desire”, desire something for itself?
The Atharva veda describes “it” as both zero and infinity, knowledge/ignorance, nature and also separate &beyond, etc. So the only inference one can draw from the reference to “its” desire to multiply and experience etc is to make “it” comprehensible to you and me. As in Bhagavatham there is a reference to His creation; “Intent on multiplying itself it did “tapas” etc. The true meaning of Brahmn and its creations is however found in Upanishad . Let me get to these straight away.
In Bhagavatham in answer to Parikshit’s query about creation there is this reference to the Brahmn as the Lord who multiplied Himself in to many. And He created “maya” representing the three characteristics namely Sathva, Rajas & Thamo gunas. These to my mind are those thru which one “experiences”.
Now to Upanishads and especially Taithriya:
Brahmn is Bliss. So to amplify what ALN says, out of this bliss, by bliss, and for bliss, in a spontaneous sportive activity, as against a self-conscious volitional effort, “it” designed a “play” – Leela.
“Thadhaatmanam swayam akurutha” is the original Text.
This translates to
“That (Brahmn) created itself by itself”. (All the participants and their experiences etc are part of That Brahmn, yet Brahmn transcends all these)
It further goes on to add “Thasmaath thath sukrutham uchyatha ithi” which translates to
“Therefore it is called self-made or well-made”. Well done, divinely planned, and perfectly executed, and not born out of Sin.
The creation therefore is that “brahmn” manifesting itself from itself along with the illusion called Maya, as the non-existent gross material world with all its polarized experiences/sentiments in an elaborate “leela” as a spontaneous sportive activity. “It” is a part but yet transcends all of these. Our Life’s mission is to remember this in realization.
The penultimate stage of this process of our evolution is to negate the non-existent and experience that “oneness”, before finally going beyond, losing even this duality of experience-experiencer, merge and “be” in that absolute “non-dual oneness”.
My “Vichu Sutras” “Beyond Experience” in the blog under title "sutras" is worth looking up (even to myself!!!).
Ekalavya alias Vichu
ReplyDeleteDear Vichu Mama,
I went through you blog, read it and re-read it again, so that I imbibe in me the learning thoroughly. Thank you for explaining in detail the logic of desire-full experience in creation. It has after all not been 'invisibly' tucked in the scriptures, but has been explained in great detail at various places. Only that we need to understand it in the right perspective. Your introduction of 'desire' in the 'leela' scheme of things, as earlier described by Gulpa Mama, has only accentuated the understanding. 'Desire' is an experience which is our subject matter of discussion. I also very fortunately came across these lines which seemed so apt to present:
Aanandho Brahmethi Vyajaanath.
Aanandhadhyaiva Khalvimaani Bhuthaani Jaayanthe.
Aanandhena Jaathaani Jeevanthi.
Aanandham Prayanthyabhisamvishantheethi.
From Bliss, indeed all these beings originate;
Having been born, they are sustained by Bliss;
They move towards and merge in Bliss.
leela ~ desire ~ bliss ~ experience
All these texts point to only one thing which is 'experience' of the Brahman. What a shroud of veil I had!
Regds Shriram
pardon me for a small correction. All the sentiments expressed by you which are to be found in "leela" are all verily "brahmn". "it" does not experience, "it" is. "it" only manifests from itself all these, for you and me to experience. To stretch it further none has any (permanent) existence, and the moment you remember and realize, you just "are" .......the brahmn itself....
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Vichu
Mama,
ReplyDeleteThis is getting increasingly interesting. In order to understand your statement better, I listened to Acharyal's latest Chaturmasya discourses on Vedanta where he mentions that there are two ways of looking at the jeeva-ishwara sambandha. He says, one way of looking at is Vyavahara disha where duality exists and the other is paramartha disha where there is only pure Brahman. In Vyavahara, there are always gunas associated with the description. Hence our discussion on experience is also completely driven by sa-guna based understanding. i.e we always try to associate characteristics to brahman (which in reality it doesn't). Since I am still in the dual state, my anveshana process is also from this stand. So in reality, "it may not experience", but in order to fathom the nir-guna brahman, I have no other option but to understand its sa-guna properties, like bliss, ananda, leela and of course my favourite 'experience'. Until I reach the 'paripakuvam' (your favourite term), I will continue my khoj from this state. Hope I have understood this right?
Regards
Sriram
Yes Shriram Sar. To borrow from a Hindi film phrase "yeh Brahmn nahin hai aasaan" Long live Khoj/jignyaasaa..... Vichu
ReplyDeleteJust came across your blog on the internet. Am a lifelong student of Vedanta without formally being exposed to it until recently. I have studied a wee bit of samskrutam and I am trying to get to root-base understanding of upanishadic translations. In this regard, where can I find conclusive references to God's creation being Maya or illusory as opposed to other descriptions/allusions to non-permanence which do not necessarily question reality? For instance, you state "The creation therefore is that “brahmn” manifesting itself from itself along with the illusion called Maya, as the non-existent gross material world..." The Ananda Valli of Taittriya emphasizes Brahmn as the manifester, manifested and the manifestee.. where do I look for illusory, non-existent nature of the manifestation?
ReplyDeleteTo the anonymous visitor & queryist. The response column is unable to take a long response. So I have decided to take this query and an attempt at answer in the next blog. I only hope this anonymous caller sees this.......
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